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tgd
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Post subject: Forgotten Fighting Vehicles (part3: Allies,Sweden) Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:27 pm |
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Ufiak
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:37 pm |
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Nice!
The top of the turret looks a little strange... hm, it's not visible in game, so it could stay as it is... but we want to be perfect, don't we ?:P
Belgian army!  Awesome, any other nits for them? :wink:
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pupin
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:42 pm |
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TGD there are many vehicles you can make but try this
-Dutch armoured car M39 duff
-Czech armoured car OA vz.23 and OA vz.27
-Hungarian armoured car CSABA
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:49 pm |
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Ufiak wrote: Nice! The top of the turret looks a little strange... hm, it's not visible in game, so it could stay as it is... but we want to be perfect, don't we ?:P Belgian army!  Awesome, any other nits for them? :wink:
 yes, i noticed that the turret has some problem,i will deal with it in Maya.
it is sure thing that there are other units for belgian army, Holland army,and mainly , i will make all Swedish unit during WWII .  but i have not enough time now 
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:50 pm |
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pupin wrote: TGD there are many vehicles you can make but try this -Dutch armoured car M39 duff -Czech armoured car OA vz.23 and OA vz.27 -Hungarian armoured car CSABA
 Yes, i know i have many work to do and i will  :D
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Universal
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:48 pm |
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tgd fix the turrets skin it needs alot of improvement and nice job on fixing the tracks compared to the previous models.
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:58 pm |
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Universal wrote: tgd fix the turrets skin it needs alot of improvement and nice job on fixing the tracks compared to the previous models.
yes,i will
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GeneralSJC
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:50 pm |
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make a Vicker mark VI light tank :) And a A-13 those are needed for early war missions.
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Universal
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:08 pm |
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seriously whats with you people stop giving him requests its not like he doesnt have mod or something. Sorry if that seems a bit harsh but I want to play his mod and not have it sidetracked by requests for every single model variant and year.
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SuperTank17
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:24 pm |
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Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:58 pm Posts: 1639 Location: Royal Capital City of Kraków, Republic of Poland
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Sweden tanks:
Stridsvagn m/21-29/strv m/21-29
The LK-II was designed as Germany's response to the English 'Whippet' tank of WWI. Designed just before WW1 ended, only test models were assembled. In the summer of 1921, Sweden purchased 10 examples of LK-2 light tanks (designed by engineer Vollmer) from Germany. In the greatest secrecy, they were imported in parts as steam plates and tractor details. Transaction was secret since after lost war, Germany was not allowed to sell tanks. After the reconstruction of the vehicles, trials were held at Svea and Göta Livgarde. The tanks had the designation Stridsvagn fm/22 meaning experimental tank model 1922, shortly thereafter being known as Stridsvagn m/21. They were used by Naval workshops as base to build slightly improved m/21 tanks, which then equipped the army. First in 1928, organized trials were held with Göta Livgarde Tank Battalion. Sweden bought 10 tanks in Autumn of 1921. In 1929, this tank was modified again and re designated as Stridsvagen m/21-29. Only 5 from 10 tanks were modified to m/21-29 standards, 3 tanks in NOAB and 2 in Landsverk works in Landskrona, which became Sweden's main producer of tanks and armored cars. It is important to point out that this factory had good relations with Germany, that was forbidden to experiment with tanks on their territory but did so in other countries including Sweden. The Strv m/21-29 was a modernized version of the normal m/21. The exterior differences are clearly visible with a new style engine muffler and the hood over the radiator. The main modification to m/21-29 tanks was the replacement of engine with Swedish Scania Vabis 1554 engine with 85hp and gearbox that gave the vehicle 2 km/h more speed. It allowed to increase tank's speed to 18km/h. The renovations did start in the beginning of the thirties (but the name suggests 1929. Perhaps that is when blueprints were drawn or the idea began).
Specifications:
Weight: 9.7tons
Length: 5.7m
Height: 2.52m
Width: 2.05m
Ground clearance: 27 cm
Crew: 2 - 4
Armor: 4 - 14mm
Engine: carburetors 4-cylinder type m/1910 , water cooled, 55 hp (Stridsvagn fm/22/Stridsvagn m/21), Swedish Scania Vabis 1554 engine with 85hp (Stridsvagn m/21-29/strv m/21-29)
Performance: 16 km/h (Stridsvagn fm/22/Stridsvagn m/21), 18km/h (Stridsvagn m/21-29/strv m/21-29)
Range: 70 km
Armament: 1-2 MG m/14 or m/14-29
BTW that's my 1002 post. 
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:41 pm |
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SuperTank17 wrote: Sweden tanks: Stridsvagn m/21-29/strv m/21-29 Specifications: Weight: 9.7tons Length: 5.7m Height: 2.52m Width: 2.05m Ground clearance: 27 cm Crew: 2 - 4 Armor: 4 - 14mm Engine: carburetors 4-cylinder type m/1910 , water cooled, 55 hp (Stridsvagn fm/22/Stridsvagn m/21), Swedish Scania Vabis 1554 engine with 85hp (Stridsvagn m/21-29/strv m/21-29) Performance: 16 km/h (Stridsvagn fm/22/Stridsvagn m/21), 18km/h (Stridsvagn m/21-29/strv m/21-29) Range: 70 km Armament: 1-2 MG m/14 or m/14-29 The main modification to m/21-29 tanks was the replacement of engine with 85hp Scania Vabis 1554 engine and gearbox. BTW that's my 1002 post. 
 Thank you! you even have found out the size of it!!
and this is your 1002 post, so could you please help me to find out the size of Belgian T13 tank hunters' size?  i make it with out right size, i just compele it with the soldier's size so i need resize it 
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Sir Tomas
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:55 pm |
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tgd wrote: could you please help me to find out the size of Belgian T13 tank hunters' size?  i make it with out right size, i just compele it with the soldier's size so i need resize it 
This polish site http://www.dws.xip.pl/bron/belgia/b11.html
tells T-13's size: 3660 x 1780 x 1360 mm

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SuperTank17
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:42 pm |
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Renault tanks in Sweden
In the Autumn of 1923 a Renault FT-17 were bought from France. Already at delivery, the vehicle was very worn down and its performance was poor. It was nicknamed "Putte", and it was used for testing communication equipment, there are photos of the tank having large antennaes. It was withdrawn from service in August 1926, and ended up as range target for the artillery the following month. The 37mm L/21 gun included with the delivery were used for trials with Stridsvagn m/21.
In January 1928, an improved FT-17 tank were bought from France. It was the Renault NC 27, and it was designated in Sweden as Stridsvagn fm/28. This had many failures in clutch and transmission, and were found unsuitable. Later on it was mainly used for drivers training at Göta Livgardes tank battalion. This vehicle is preserved at Pansarmuseet at Axvall, and is the only vehicle left in the world. Though tested, the Renault NC 27 (Stridsvagn fm/28) was never adoped by the Swedish Army.
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:55 pm |
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Sir Tomas wrote: tgd wrote: could you please help me to find out the size of Belgian T13 tank hunters' size?  i make it with out right size, i just compele it with the soldier's size so i need resize it  This polish site http://www.dws.xip.pl/bron/belgia/b11.htmltells T-13's size: 3660 x 1780 x 1360 mm
 waww, good site,very helpful, dzienkujen!!! 
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SuperTank17
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:09 pm |
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tgd wrote: Sir Tomas wrote: tgd wrote: could you please help me to find out the size of Belgian T13 tank hunters' size?  i make it with out right size, i just compele it with the soldier's size so i need resize it  This polish site http://www.dws.xip.pl/bron/belgia/b11.htmltells T-13's size: 3660 x 1780 x 1360 mm  waww, good site,very helpful, dzienkujen!!! 
I think you mean "dziêkujê"
Carden-Loyd tankettes in Sweden
In 1931 two tankettes were bought from Great Britain. It was one Carden-Loyd Mk V Star, and one Carden-Loyd Mk VI. They were bought to be tested as towing vehicles for Bofors new 37mm infantry gun. In the beginning they were known as Traktor nr 52 and Traktor nr 53. During 1935, the tankettes were fitted with a m/14-29 MG and then equipped Göta Livgarde tank battalion under the designation Light tank m/Carden-Loyd. Here they were used as reconnaissance vehicles as they were bound to road travelling. Probably withdrawn from service in 1939, when they were given to the Swedish Army Museum. Both tankettes are preserved at Pansarmuseet at Axvall. The Mk V Star being a unique vehicle, it is the only vehicle of its kind that is left in the world.
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:19 pm |
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SuperTank17 wrote: I think you mean "dziêkujê" Carden-Loyd tankettes in Sweden [
 ,yes,but it takes a little time to change English into Polish of my windows input system 
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:11 am |
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 Ummm, is there anyone could send me some full coloured pictures of
British A9 ,A10 cruiser tank and MK V light tank and MK II medium tank
(for Frence 1940 and desert)? thank you! 
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hitandrun
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:42 am |
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Quote: is there anyone could send me some full coloured pictures
Probably not!
You are looking for vehicles which were made in small numbers (A9=125, A10=100), which were then deployed with 1st Armoured Division (hence mostly abandoned or destroyed by the time of Dunkirk) and at a time when colour film stock was in very short supply. The MkV was obsolete at the start of the war so, while a few may have seen service in N Africa, it is unlikely that anyone would have wanted to commemorate them with a colour picture. Colour photographs had significant propaganda value and so tended to feature the latest and "best" kit.
Depending on what theatre you were thinking of using them in, your best bet would be to copy markings from contemporary, front line, vehicles. For N Africa there are a good number of colour images for Matilda, Valentine and Lee/Grant vehicles available. After all, the same people who painted these would have painted the ones you are looking for and would have used the same pots of paint :)
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Hannibal
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:11 am |
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hitandrun wrote: You are looking for vehicles which were made in small numbers (A9=125, A10=100), which were then deployed with 1st Armoured Division (hence mostly abandoned or destroyed by the time of Dunkirk) and at a time when colour film stock was in very short supply.
I think he's looking for colour plates.
But You may still be right saying that nothing is available for those two types as they are rare indeed. 
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:20 am |
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hitandrun
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:30 am |
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On the subjest of pots of paints, this set of colour chips might be handy.
I am always wary of postwar illustrations or restored vehicles because you are left with the problem of attribution for the colour scheme. As I suggested in an earlier post ( http://bkpforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... &start=125 ) even colour photographs are not straight forward as diffesrent films reproduced colours differently and then there is the issue of reproduction: contemporary or modern printing may further "distort" the colour.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:02 pm |
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hitandrun wrote: Probably not! You are looking for vehicles which were made in small numbers (A9=125, A10=100), which were then deployed with 1st Armoured Division (hence mostly abandoned or destroyed by the time of Dunkirk)....
The Cruisers A-9, A-10, A-13 and light tanks Mk VI were used in France in 1940, against the Italians in Libya in 1940-41, in Greece in 1941, and in North Africa against the Germans in 1941. They (probably only the A-13 and and possibly the Mark VI) were still being shipped to Egypt in the famous Tiger convoy in 1941 and used in the Brevity and Battleaxe operations. They were not completely phased out until the Crusader battles in November of 1941. Rather useful and necessary early-war tanks.
The Valentine was later built using the hull and suspension of the A-10. The BT-7 was also built with the same (Christie) suspension and to the same size as the A-13. If you use these two chassis and build new superstructure and turret on top of them you will have the right proportions.
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:59 pm |
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 Thank all of you still!!  especially BKP, thank you very much!!  [/quote]
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:31 pm |
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:18 pm |
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LsN|Tysk'54 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eh9P2azhPE 
 :shock: what a good site it is!!! thank you!! i am finding information of Swedish army all the time!! really thank you very much !!:P :P
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tgd
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:19 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:36 pm |
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very nice tgd how do u keep such a low face count on the models ?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:01 pm |
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tgd wrote: LsN|Tysk'54 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eh9P2azhPE   :shock: what a good site it is!!! thank you!! i am finding information of Swedish army all the time!! really thank you very much !!:P :P
No problem ... this is the only topic where i hestitated to post ... ^^ didnt wanted to pull it down like sometimes ... always 
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Ufiak
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:50 pm |
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Awesome model!
After exams I'll try to scan some other French tanks (cavalry tank used also by Belgians- AMX35? Or something like that, do not remember correctly it's name  )
Hehe, I cannot believe my eyes.. if someone would ask he 4 months ago if someone would create more than 2 models for BK... I would smile... and laugh... now we can see tons of new models ;]
Great work!
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:52 pm |
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its also unknown modelers like myself who contribute to the TDA/CMC modelling scene as well along with Kun@ , Leclerc , Soviet Man , Ice Bear and thousands others.
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